i love guys in drag.

[porcelian]

i do i really do.
they turn me on *im female btw!*
i want my husband to dress in drag he has really pretty eyes.
ok just thought i'd share.

[TheFailure]

you know something me too, and i actually do that every once in a bit, but thats just me, i would never pass but hey it's fun to play isn't it?
failure

[Prince @dam]

I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate drag queens. They are the worst face that could be placed upon the gay community. They are complete gay trash and should honestly be called "fags". It's not funny or neat or cute. It's tacky and feeds into the stereotype of gay people.

I don't care if you want your husband to be a transvestite. That's your business, but when a gay man goes out of his home dressed as a women it creates more fodder for the Phelps and Falwells of the world to burn.

[dead man's girly]

<font face="comic sans ms">I happen to love drag queens. ;)(and ya know, I'm almost ALWAYS attracted to them.)

The thing is, I just find the idea of "women's" clothing and "men's" clothing ridiculous. Victorian. I'm a very non-gender specific person. Ambiguity turns me on.

Fuck the Phelps and Falwells. I don't care about gaining the respect from people like that, or letting them dictate my life anyway. It's all about being true to who YOU are. Not worrying about what stereotype you're feeding into or what right-wing whacko you're offending.

Just my 2 cents.

:)

[Caton_on_guitar]

Hey prince @dam, I just wanted to say that IF dragqueens stereotype the gay community...so what...fuck it. I mean come on, you must blame the people who are prejudiced against gay people, you musn't blame the drags. WE GIRLS GOTTA STICK TOGETHER YOU KNOW. And no I don't like to wear drags and I am not attracted to guys in drags, but I believe that anyone has the right to be who he/she wanted to be.
I really think that it is ridiculous to blame the drag-queens for the image people have of gay-people. Those conservative, hypocrite, happy people are, who think that there is something like normal. I just want to say to them...AS IF...GIRLFRIEND!

"What is your purpose in life?"
"Huh, what do you mean by that?"

[porcelian]

i don't want him to be a trans!
i want him to play a game.
role-playing.
yanno?
as for walking out of the house much less even dressing up as woman he would never ever ever in a million years do it.

[Prince @dam]

<< Hey prince @dam, I just wanted to say that IF dragqueens stereotype the gay community...so what...fuck it. I mean come on, you must blame the people who are prejudiced against gay people, you musn't blame the drags. >>

I don't "blame" anyone. DQ's have become a laughing joke. It's not about style or grace or fun or anything. They are walking ridiculousness.

<< WE GIRLS GOTTA STICK TOGETHER YOU KNOW. >>

Last I checked I wasn't a "girl". Last I checked, which was only moments ago when I took a piss, I had a dick and was very much a man.

<< I really think that it is ridiculous to blame the drag-queens for the image people have of gay-people. >>

Then who should we pin it on? I mean never have I seen the stereotype of a gay man be like his straight counterpart. They do hinder the gay movement. This happy happy love love shit just isn't reality.

<< GIRLFRIEND >>

Um I am not a girl. And I am not your friend.

[Exit 75]

<font color="#2B0080">I can't stand drag queens. I totally support their right to do what they do, but I find it unfornate that I get automatically lumped into a grouping with them. Its embarrassing to me, and detrimental to the perception of gay people at large, and if that means I don't <i>celebrate diversity</i> then so be it.

[EYELUVTORI]

I respect drag queens a lot. Prince Adam, you are just IGNORANT! I mean, the Phelps and Falwells stereotype gays and talk bad about them because they don't understand them and they don't understand that some men are attracted to other men. You are just the same as they are, you don't seem to understand that some men just want to switch sides. It's really really just stupid of you to say things like that.
Exit75, how could you be embarrassed to be seen with people who have an inner need and are brave enough to not give a flying fuck what anyone thinks, prince adam, Phelps, whoever, they don't care. I think that is very respectable. Thas just my opinion though...

[BreakTheTerror]

amen amen amen amen amen to everything jared and Prince Adam said.

drag queens drive me up the fucking wall like no other gay people can. and THAT is saying a whole lot, considering how much SO MANY gay people annoy me.

drag queens DO fuck up the stereotypes of gay people

"Last I checked I wasn't a "girl". Last I checked, which was only moments ago when I took a piss, I had a dick and was very much a man"

A-fuckin-MEN

"Its embarrassing to me, and detrimental to the perception of gay people at large, and if that means I don't celebrate diversity then so be it."

but Jared-baby, you've jutht GOT to THELEBRATE DIVERTHITY!!

*GRIN*

and another AMEN.

[EYELUVTORI]

Well, aren't you cute Breaktheterror??? One second your talking about how drag queens add to unfair gay stereotypes, then you say "theleberat Diverthity". is that not stereotyping? So amen your own fucking ignorance. It's not drag queens that hurt the gay community it's stupid ignorant piss maggots like you and a few others I could mention but because this reply isn't directed at them i won't, that hurt the gay community. Grow Up!

[BreakTheTerror]

hahahahahaha.

that was funny.

[Exit 75]

<font color="#2B0080">He is actually, very very cute :)

[BreakTheTerror]

what?
are you thaying i thouldn't thelebrate diverthity?
all the other fagth thaid i thould.
i'm confuthed.

[Exit 75]

<font color="#2B0080">Nope, the new directive from Gay High Command is that everyone should be as much like me as possible. Cuz I'm great, and guys like me are great. Anyone else should be shot into space. :P

[BreakTheTerror]

thilly ME!

heh.

should i start making a list of those that don't qualify, baby?

[Peter]

Even though it's off topic, I'm going to broach "Thelebrate Diverthity" right now.

I admit it. I wrote it, it was my idea, and I plan on using it soon--I'll make sure to show y'all when.

It seems to have been mistaken. So, I'll clarify for those of us not riding on the obvious bus.

"Thelebrate Diverthity" is a parody of the gay community's 100% refusal to take "no" for an answer. Or, to put it more plainly, it's a parody of the fact that the gay community themselves refuses to celebrate the diversity they speak so highly of.

To be truly diverse, you would have to take sections of ALL walks of life. Therefore, to celebrate diversity, the gay community would have to basically accept(and celebrate) the people who would like for there to be a "homosexual hunting season"(I hear Fall is when they try to breed...). However, of COURSE gay people don't want to celebrate THAT. I mean, duh. That's not a big mental leap there. I don't celebrate too many killers m'self. However, that means that the gay community is not celebrating diversity merely by default. Nevertheless, they still protest, march, and bitch, bitch, bitch. They don't want to accept anyone else, but they want to be accepted.

...GREAT! That's logical AND fair, right?

...right?

So, I'm the bad bad boy that I am 'cause I don't celebrate people as diverse as drag queens. Sorry. I know a few of 'em myself, they're great people, but I really only like them when they're NOT in makeup wig and heels.

Whereas I know I'm going to sound like Doktor Whore-a, I also tend to think that drag queens are people who just aren't comfortable with being themselves and therefore play out being something else-a woman. Problem is, kids, they're not women. They still have weenies. If they get a sex change, well, that's another kettle o' fish, entirely. But for the time being, it's just a show.

Drag is just as much of a show as was "the Matrix." So, why would everybody say that you should ignore all the violence in "the matrix" as it's not real, but at the same time say that you should take a drag queen seriously? Isn't it all fake? Why should I take ANY of it seriously?

So, if I'm a bigoted fascist for not liking drag queens, so be it. At least *I* have the balls to admit that I pass judgement.

-Peter

[BreakTheTerror]

amen.

[Prince @dam]

<< are you thaying i thouldn't thelebrate diverthity?
all the other fagth thaid i thould.
i'm confuthed. >>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh I almost pissed myself laughing so hard. EYELUVTORI can you turn around and if you see a stick take it out?

I am not ignorant. I live with the stereotypes placed upon me every day. I am not sure if you are gay or not BUT it's rather hard to be grouped in with fucked up guys who think neon wigs are a great accessory for their neon platforms and sparkle dresses.

I don't wear dresses or make-up. I like to spit and scratch, I don't feel that I am a woman trapped in a mans body, and I pee standing up. I sometimes say "it's to die" but I am 100% guy. Am I saying every person should be like me? While it would create an almost Utopia, it would also be boring. I don't think DQs are fun or cute or even mildly amusing. I think they are fucking ugly, repulsive and make me rather annoyed. My whole image as a gay man in the public eye should be a walking lisp with a closet full of manly sized muumuus and pumps. Sorry sister my closet is full of Prada and Armani. Not one pump or muumuu in sight. Yet I am still forced into the stereotype of "all gay men are swishy and like to do drag".

So fuck you and your "ignorant" label for me.

[BreakTheTerror]

Prince Adam, i enjoyed that reply very much.
heh

drag queens are repulsive.

i, too, like to spit, scratch, piss standing up, and all that good stuff.

i also like to burp, and i'm quite good at it. i will challenge anybody in the world to a burping contest.

the thought of putting on a woman's clothes has never crossed my mind. guess i don't have that MENTAL COMPLEX.

i'm a college football fan

i like to drink, and not these pussy queer drinks, i like to DRINK.

i like to go camping and all dat shite.

so.

i fucking take issue with the concept of being lumped in with pussy boys who like to put on dresses, pumps, and make-up, refer to each other as "girls", *TUCK THEIR GENITALS* (OUCH!), and pretend to be something they are not. viz women. (viz means "namely". for anyone that didn't know. that's your Latin lesson for the day.)

women are women.

men are men.

thousands of years of having 2 distinct sexes can't be wrong.

if you don't like what you are, fucking change it. there are ways.

it might be different if there were a bunch of heterosexual drag queens running around, but, well, that's just not prevalent. it's a fag thing. in every sense of the word.

sickening, if you ask me.

[Celibate Whore]

Wow.. You're all just so.. "manly"..

[Celibate Whore]

...Except that you all listen to Tori.

Now surely that's a bit "pussy boy" for your liking.

[BreakTheTerror]

i sincerely hope that wasn't an attempt at a dig, b/c it didn't work.

[EYELUVTORI]

<<it might be different if there were a bunch of heterosexual drag queens running around, but, well, that's just not prevalent. it's a fag thing. in every sense of the word>>


Actually dumb ass, most crossdressers ARE straight men. You just prove that you truly are ignorant to the subject. Prince Adam, I am completely GAY. And I know enough that I shouldn't care who the hell "GROUPS" or "LUMPS" me together with whoever. I don't have to go around hoping that if I were to run into a conservative person that I might meet their expectationsof a decent human being. If they have a mental image of me doing drag, because some guy they seen ocne did it, Well that's too fuckin bad! prince Adam you contradict yourself SO much! In another thread you was just saying that it's wrong for people to dislike anyone who's not like them, gay/bi/african whatever, and here you are, spewing hate at people different than you, you ignorant piece of shit. This just goes to show that no group of people is less prone to ignroant people like some of the people replying to this thread. It hurts a lot to think that I woudl be less respected than someone who isn't as good a person as I am simply because Im gay and they're straight. but to think that if I did drag, you people would look down on me just like some people look down on gays, it's so so sad. I am truly disapointed in you people. Maybe you are just getting laughs and don't really feel like that, either way it is really sad.

[Exit 75]

<font color="#2B0080">Adam and Evan are intelligent guys, I'm sure they know that most cross-dressers are heterosexual men, but this thread is about <b>drag queens</b>, not cross-dressers, you ignorant piece of shit. :)
~Jared

[DETERGENT]

im not taking sides..u all have ur point. I just want to agree with celibate whore :)

[DETERGENT]

oh..one more thing..listen to celibate whore.i think he/she is on to something...think about the stuffs he/she said. that should give u a clue on the whole nature of this dilemna as well as why these very manly "guys" react to drags(however they react im not so sure, i dont think they do either well thats natural).
:)

[commus]

Everybody take a deep breath...

Please read the posting titled "!!!!!!!!ATTENTION!!!!!!!!" and think about it before you continue posting.

Thank you

[poppy]

Originally posted by porcelian
i do i really do.
they turn me on *im female btw!*


you and me both. i'm like obsessed with drag queens....

the real drag queens, creative types that go all out, not the ones that put on a dress and say "look i'm a drag queen" -- whatever.

but i remember the first time i saw rupaul... he's soooo beautiful....

i love drag queens. a friend of mine said i could dress him and drag and do his hair and makeup and all that....

:e

[poppy]

Originally posted by Prince @dam
I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate drag queens. They are the worst face that could be placed upon the gay community. They are complete gay trash and should honestly be called "fags". It's not funny or neat or cute. It's tacky and feeds into the stereotype of gay people.

I don't care if you want your husband to be a transvestite. That's your business, but when a gay man goes out of his home dressed as a women it creates more fodder for the Phelps and Falwells of the world to burn.



i've known a couple of drag queens that are straight, they just enjoy being in womyn's clothing....

fuck the phelps and falwells of the world. it's something you have to live with and not them. be proud of who you are why give a shit what other people think? i mean, i had a friend tell me straight up that i'm going to hell for being bisexual. it doesn't make me question myself, i told him to fuck off if he's gonna feed me that bullshit. who cares what those closed minded right wing fucks think? if it suits you, do it.

<quote><i>Originally posted by Prince @dam</i>
<b><< I really think that it is ridiculous to blame the drag-queens for the image people have of gay-people. >>

Then who should we pin it on? I mean never have I seen the stereotype of a gay man be like his straight counterpart. They do hinder the gay movement. This happy happy love love shit just isn't reality.</b>

blame it on the closed-minded fucks who thinks if they've seen one gay person they've seen them all. to say all gay men are afeminate and like to dress in drag just because they happened to have met one gay person that's a drag queen is the same as saying all black guys are gangsta's who listen to rap and demean womyn by calling them bitches and hoes. but it's not fair to say that is it? it's about as fair to say that as it is to say that about drag queens. and who are we gonna blame that whole black thing on, the rappers? no. that's who they are, they're idiots (the rapper guys who demean womyn, i mean, in my not so humble opinion) but they're demeaning themselves not everyone else. the closed minded "it's like this with this person therefore it's like this with all people" types are the ones to blame. the drag queen, don't even bitch about them cuz you don't know why they do it. different reasons. i've met drag queens who do it as artistic expression, others who do it just cuz they like womyn's clothing and others (these i don't particularly like to be honest) who just do it for show, to jump on the bandwagon as it were. we're all different. just because some people don't want to see that no group is a set certain way (e.g. all drag queens are gay -- no, same as all gay men are drag queens -- no) just because people don't want to see that there's variety in every group doesn't mean it's entirely the group's fault. it's the person who blindfolds themselves that we should blame.

[Peter]

Poppy, what are "womyn?"

Are they just women who can't spell or are they an entirely different species? Do grrls grow up to be womyn?

Thanks for your help.

-Pete

[SisterErnestine]

oh yeah, I forgot

when feminism becomes mistress of the whole fucking world


that means we can change the spelling of words that have existed longer than fucking feminism


ooh so you want to be called "womyn" just because its men with w and o


big fucking deal. i thought the main point of feminism was equality. not trying to prove one thing after another.


"revolution girl, style now"


maybe later. when i'm done falling off the face of society.




peace,love,and anarchy
the resident fucking straight chick

[poppy]

Originally posted by PLuGgedViolin
Poppy, what are "womyn?"

Are they just women who can't spell or are they an entirely different species? Do grrls grow up to be womyn?

Thanks for your help.

-Pete

oki maybe that was just a simple question but the way it's worded it just sounds nasty.

to answer your question:
"womyn" is the old english spelling for "women"
"wommon" is the old english spelling for "woman"

i go with the old english spellings, is that quite alright?

[Peter]

I was being goofy.
Worry not about me.

However, I will state this: Womyn is not the old(e) English spelling for women. There WAS no spelling for women. It may have been more commonly used, but from what I learned about the english language, spelling didn't really have an importance until well after the printing press was invented.

WELL after.

Basically, Women, Womyn, and Womin would have all been accepted.

Nevertheless, I still state I was bein' goofy.

-Pete

[poppy]

okay well i've read alot of classic novels with those spellings and it kinda grew on me and became a habit.

sorry i got rude and overly defencive with you.

[ModernArt]

I'd like to ask BreakTheTerror and Exit75 a few questions:

How can you see it fit to put the entire gay community into a labeled box? You so clearly do not want to be put in the same box, the same category, as the rest of the "gay community" (whatever that REALLY means). So, if you don't want that to be done to you-- how can you turn your back and say that you are better than groups A, B, and C ? Doesn't that simply promote divisiveness? Doesn't that simply defeat the sole purpose of what any minority group is searching for? We all want to just be accepted for what we are. We all just want people to leave us alone and let us live our lives as best we can. So, by you disassociating yourselves-- by putting other groups down-- you're really perpetuating the mistreatment of minority groups. "Go ahead and treat them poorly-- because I'm not REALLY one of THEM."

Until "normal" people, as you say you are, are willing to give the same kind of acceptance that you desire-- people will still be oppressed. Drag queen or not, we all have the right to live abuse-free lives.

[Peter]

Poppy- that's cool. I read a lot of Shakespeare, so I enjoy old english m'self.

What I miss most is the use of apostrophes.

Like, instead of discussed it'd be discus'd or discus't.
O'er, things like that.

Heh heh.

off topic, peter!
off topic!

[Exit 75]

<font color="#2B0080">< rambling>Well Eric, I'm not sure that I've never said in any seriousness that I'm <b>better</b> than groups A, B, & C...its a shame humour, sarcasm, and the like don't come across better in cyberspace... I've stated that I support the right of drag queens to do what they do, in all its tackiness and poor taste, no matter how much it boggles my mind, I've stated how I dislike that I am lumped into a group with such individuals by people ignorant of non-mainstream sexualities, and I have never advocated abusing drag queens. I have known a few and they are decent human beings (especially Brian who lent me all his AbFab tapes :), what a sweetie)
What I have tried to impart is that that I don't like drag queens and the more effeminate aspects of gay-dom being the center-piece or the focus of gay society. Its a fringe activity, and I wish it was treated as such. There's the key point for me, and part of what keeps me from taking a more active role in gay rights movements, aspects of queer culture that do not represent me or in my opinion the silent majority of homosexuals are over-hyped in the name of "celebration of diversity". Well y'all can celebrate it all you want, if you alienate the masses, you'll be the only people at your party. Once again, though I am not comfortable with drag and fags, I do support their rights. I just think that, politically speaking, over emphasis on these groups is more detrimental than it is helpful. But on this board, the majority of my posts that irk people are not meant to be political, but rather personal. I see nothing wrong with me telling you what I find distasteful. Most of what I say here is meant to be taken with a grain of salt, I certainly wouldn't join in a Fred Phelps rally or go on national TV bashing any part of the queer world, this is a small forum of generally like-minded individuals, so I feel more comfortable putting my true views on display without doing any harm to the movement for acceptance. And hon, you can call me Jared, Exit 75 is soooo stuffy :) < /rambling>

[ModernArt]

Well, I appreciate that response. You have a valid point-- however-- when people post words such as "drag queens should be called fags..." and type with a lisp... and basically making fun of effeminate gay people-- you need to realize that your point is lost. All that I see coming through is a lot of hate-- and not a lot of intelligent conversation. To demand that gay people like yourself get representation in the gay community is one thing-- to belittle and poke fun is quite another.

[Prince @dam]

<< Actually dumb ass, most crossdressers ARE straight men. >>

No shit. Who was talking about cross dressers?

Wait I see Exit 75 took care of this. Geeze I leave for a few hours to buy illegal fireworks and this happens!

<< prince Adam you contradict yourself SO much! In another thread you was just saying that it's wrong for people to dislike anyone who's not like them, gay/bi/african whatever, and here you are, spewing hate at people different than you, you ignorant piece of shit. >>

No, it's not wrong to dislike someone because they are not like them. It's wrong to dislike someone and use that against them or act upon this difference. I never said "KILL THE DRAG QUEENS". I said I don't like them. Is there something WRONG with having a personal fucking opinion these days? You would think unless I am that alternative sheep where everything goes and light and love and blah fucking blah then I am labeled "judgmental" and "ignorant".

Celibate Whore -
<< ...Except that you all listen to Tori.

Now surely that's a bit "pussy boy" for your liking. >>

Talk about random. Tori isn't at all femme or girly. She grabs her crotch like any man can. Right up in there like she's got balls she is moving around. Tori is way fucking cool like that. Now Titney Spears ... THAT'S pussy boy.

Poppy -
<< be proud of who you are why give a shit what other people think? >>

That hide your head in the sand and not take a stance everyone is beautiful is what is causing me to not be an equal citizen of the US or even the world. Spectacles like drag queens and walking lisps AKA gay trash are what allows people like Falwell to point a finger and say "These homosexuals say they are just like straight people but do a large percentage of straight men dress like sissy boy grasshoppers?". No. The gay movement can't stand on the "normal" leg when people like RuPaul are shaking their bon-bon in platforms and a mini skirt. It doesn't work that way.

Pete -
<< what are "womyn"
Are they just women who can't spell or are they an entirely different species? Do grrls grow up to be womyn? >>

HAHAHHAHAH!! Another big peeve of mine is this PC shit. Grrl and womyn. Come the fuck on. Soon gay with be spelled gaei just because we aren't happy festive times.

<< when people post words such as "drag queens should be called fags..." >>

Honey where have you been? Fag means gay trash. Sorta like white trash and ghetto rats. It's all about the slang.

[Caton_on_guitar]

She's your cocaine ...

prince @dam, I think it is fine to have your own opinion ...
but what is the anger really about ... what are you scared of ...
And don't come with stuff like I didn't say ...
The thin is you wrote I hate, hate etc.
What is it really about.
I want to thank Modernart for puttin it so clearly.

And about the girlfriend part @dam with you reacting I have got a dick last time I was peeing etc.
Can't you have a laugh, do you have to be so angry. Come on losen up a little live should be fun/ And if that means that some people are wearing wigs and tasteless make-up SO BE IT

Tori said;" Humor is a very big splotch on the palet for me"

I think you don't like it when people talk about you the way you talk about DQ's so ...
And if there are DQ's you don't like just don't like them like you just dont like some 'normal' people.

And again what is all the anger about?

[BreakTheTerror]

ok....

i *would* take time to reply piece by piece to all the opposition....

but i just don't fucking give 2 shits out of the ass of a rabid goat right now.....

but just a couple of things....

Eric.

call me Evan.

don't call me by my dent name on the dent.

call my boyfriend by his name. you hear about him enough that you should know it LOL

Poppy, or whoever it was who spelled it "womyn"....

sorry if Pete mislabeled you or misread your system of thinking....

i, too, am a person who is fucking tired of all this PC bullshit...

if you didn't intend it that way, accept my apology..

i totally agree with everything that Adam and Jared and Peter have said.

but then again, that's not out of the ordinary.

look.

here is EXACTLY where i am, not throwing any stones at anybody.

i am a gay man.

i believe that drag, leather, fagginess (GET OVER IT, IT'S A WORD.), whatever have ZERO to do with sexuality. fuck that shit.

it's a counter culture ghetto thing that has become so central to gays....and i'll say one thing. there's nothing i hate more (HATE, it's a word too), NOTHING i hate more than people who act like something they're not. fuck me if i'm wrong, but i don't believe for one goddamned second that every single drag queen feels in HIS (sorry, pseudo-girls) heart that that is something near the core of his being, dressing up like a woman. bullshit. it's a queer ghetto obsession, and i don't like it.

so. get over it. i agree with Adam.....i don't have to like people.

i don't care if the right wing christian community really likes me. i'll fight back and forth with them, just to exercise my argumentative spirit, and for the pure fun of it, but do i really give 2 shits whether or not they change in their perception of me as a gay man? hell no. i don't like most of them either! so we're even. i DO think that the gay community needs to get the fuck away from protesting at them and disrupting THEIR lives. i mean, have some fucking decorum people. if you don't bother them, they won't bother you.

so.

i will continue to have my own personal opinions about whomever i like, i will like some and i will dislike some, no biggie.

i agree that as long as you don't use your judgment as a grounds for hurting somebody, it's fine to judge.

and.

Eric.

you refer to this whole divisiveness issue.....

a couple thoughts on that...

you mentioned the whole "minority" thing....

see.

i'm not all PC like that.

and you must remember, I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE A MEMBER OF A MINORITY!!!!!

i mean, Jesus fucking Christ, people!

i'm 100% human, 100% god (hahaha, just kidding, i'll wait to declare my Messianic status a bit longer....)

no anyways

i'm 100% human.

so are you.

so is Jerry Falwell

so is Dr. Laura Schlessinger.

to say that because i'm gay, i'm a member of a minority group, i think, just divides me from being a human further.

so


i've said it before, i'll say it again...

i'm not fighting for my rights as a minority and i never will.

i will fight for my human rights. duh.

but no.

the group that i'm a member of is a large one. the human race.

so, there we have my way of thinking in a 4 AM quickly thought out post.

feel free to flame me with multiple exclamation points.

oh, and i like fightin' words.

they're cool :)

they make me giggle and chuckle.

anyways

REPLY REPLY REPLY!

[Caton_on_guitar]

I still do not agree. But maybe we will never agree, and that is fine that makes things a little bit more exciting too.

One question though about the human rights thing, DQ's are human too aren't they.

And to every one out there...keep protesting.

Don't bother them so they won't bother you?

People have got they're own opinions about gays wether we bother them or we don't.

Other minority groups have always protested. Not constantly ofcourse than life would be a real drag (gna) but just be who you are and say what you have to say. Even though opinions differ we can still discuss. I think that is were it will all go wrong when we stop making ourself heard.

[poppy]

I WANT TO MAKE ONE THING PERFECTLY CLEAR.

I AM SO FAR FROM BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT THAT I CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.

SO STOP SAYING THAT MY SPELLING OF "WOMAN" OR "WOMMON" OR "WOMMIN" HAS TO DO WITH BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT AND READ THE FUCKING POST WHERE I STATED WHY I SPELL IT "WOMMON" AND "WOMYN" IT'S NOT CUZ I'M P.C. IT HAS TO DO WITH READING CLASSIC STORIES WRITTEN IN THE OLD[E] ENGLISH STYLE, I LIKE TO READ ALOT OF THOSE BOOKS AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE BOOKS SPELL IT "WOMMON" AND "WOMYN" SO IT GREW ON ME AND BECAME A FUCKING HABIT OKAY. IS THAT ALRIGHT DO I HAVE YOUR FUCKING PERMISSION TO EXPRESS MYSELF AS I WOULD LIKE TO? THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE POSTED MY REASON FOR SPELLING IT THAT WAY AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT THIS PC BULLSHIT BECAUSE I'M NOT PC AND GET OVER IT I'LL SPELL IT A;LKDJ;IOEN; IF I FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT.

[Peter]

Look how diverse we are NOW!

[Exit 75]

<font color="#2B0080">The diversity is simply blinding...

/thomas dolby impression/ She blinded me with DIVERSITY!/end thomas dolby/

yikes... I'm ending this post now...I'm gonna go listen to Garth Brooks for a minute... he's the anti-Thomas Dolby if you didn't know, which you probably didn't since I just made it up...
~Jared

[BreakTheTerror]

Jesus Christ, poppy.

i apologized then i went off on a tangent.

i read your explanation.

fiiiiiiiiiiine.

then i SAID:

that if i misread your thought processes as to why you spell it like that, I'M SORRY.

then i went off on why i get bugged about that spelling.

so.

why don't you read MY post fully before you post in capital letters.

[poppy]

Originally posted by BreakTheTerror
Jesus Christ, poppy.

i apologized then i went off on a tangent.

i read your explanation.

fiiiiiiiiiiine.

then i SAID:

that if i misread your thought processes as to why you spell it like that, I'M SORRY.

then i went off on why i get bugged about that spelling.

so.

why don't you read MY post fully before you post in capital letters.



maybe i should've made it clear, and i'm going to apologise because i didn't, but that angry all caps response was not directed at you at all. it was directed at prince @dam talking about the pc bullshit and whatnot. i read your post fully. before i even posted what i did. it wasn't directed towards you at all and i'm sorry if you thought so and i'm sorry i didn't make it clear who it was intended for.

[Caton_on_guitar]

Let's quit this silly thing.

[BreakTheTerror]

ah ok :)

whatevers

let me make something clear for everybody.

i don't hate any of you.

if i did, i wouldn't post here.

so.

if i argue with you, if i bitch at you, or whatever, don't take it personally.

[ModernArt]

Its hard to not take some stuff that you say personally, Evan. Your posts walk a fine line-- sometimes I agree with your ideas-- I understand your point-- but othertimes I am beside myself in utter disgust. Let me explain.

I'm not queeny. (honest! LOL) I'm not lispy. I'm not effeminate. However, I am out. and while I don't wear a "I'm gay" sign-- if people asked, I wouldn't lie. Word gets around. I've met many many people out there that wouldn't talk to me. Refused to be my friend-- all because they were afraid that someone would find out they were gay. I've been called a "flamer"-- when that is the epitome of everything I'm not.

The point is not to get sympathy. The point is that I feel that I'm better than that. I told myself ever since high school that I'd never pull that same shit. I knew that befriending a gay person doesn't make people think that you're gay. Just like befriending a rap artist doesn't mean you like rap-- befriending a gay guy doesn't mean you like penis. ;)

So when I hear you talking about not wanting to be associated-- that kinda triggers all that crap from high school. I'm not a queen-- but I know what its like to be in that position where everybody just seems to not want to be associated with you-- even though you really do have a lot in common. and it sucks. it really does.

I understand-- I more than anyone wish that normal gay and lesbian people would be shown in the media more often. Its a sad thing when the only "gay" movies that get a wide release in the USA have drag queens as their main characters. My daily task is to show people that gay and lesbian people are pretty much just like everyone else-- maybe not normal at all, but like everyone else. I'm sure that Evan and Jared and @dam must admit that-- that just meeting people and being out and not being a wierdo is a good thing-- so that others see that we're not all drag queens or Nathan Lane impersonators. But I feel that I can have a gay flag in my car-- in fact, I think that's a good way to show people that you're just average joe-- put it on the back of your Toyota. ;) I wouldn't consider that "gay crap"-- I'd consider that an easy way to make people know that normal gay men exist-- everywhere.

So while I agree wholeheartedly with your core opinion-- I'm a bit concerned with the disgust you show towards anything "gay". Even I am not as disturbed by gay things as some people are here-- and I always felt that I was rather conservative in my anti-gay views. Maybe I wasn't alone after all-- maybe I was just the only one visible.

[BreakTheTerror]

see dude...
like i agree with everything you said.

but i still don't want to be "associated"

is it about the gay thing?

of course not.

it's about the ghetto gay thing.

and i don't have to put my name anywhere near it.

believe me, i have a gay friends. carefully selected gay friends, but still.

anyways

i have 4th crap to do.

drunkity time awaits me :)

[lizzy]

i dunno who you is.

[Prince @dam]

<< prince @dam, I think it is fine to have your own opinion ...
but what is the anger really about ... what are you scared of ...
And don't come with stuff like I didn't say ...
The thin is you wrote I hate, hate etc.
What is it really about. >>

I hate them because I believe they are part of what is keeping me from being equal. I don't like things that keep me from that. I am equal. I pay more fucking taxes then more than HALF of my straight counter parts. Why shouldn't I be granted the same rights? It's because the gay population is doing it's best to not be "normal" and fit in. It isn't about "diversity" or "being unique". It's about trying as hard as you can to not "conform" and that is getting old. They try too hard. Do drag queens actually thing they are nice looking with neon green hair and ten inch spiked glitter shoes? No. No woman who looked like that would be thought of as pretty. It isn't pretty. It's ugly and it's one step away from being Bobo the clown at a circus. You want to paint yourself up like a whore clown? That's fine but don't preach that I should like you and how dare I not like you based on how you look when you don't take the time to understand what exactly is causing people to hate gay people so much.

<< i believe that drag, leather, fagginess (GET OVER IT, IT'S A WORD.), whatever have ZERO to do with sexuality. >>

Exactly. It has nothing to do with it. A fetish isn't about outward sexuality. It's about being sexual. Two different things completely.

<< AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT THIS PC BULLSHIT BECAUSE I'M NOT PC AND GET OVER IT I'LL SPELL IT AKDJ;IOEN; IF I FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT. >>

HAHHA Poppy that whole post just made you kick fucking ass in my eyes. Preach on.

<< let me make something clear for everybody.

I don't hate any of you.

if i did, i wouldn't post here. >>

Oh I dislike a majority of the Dent posters. I find them way psychotic towards Tori. But that's my deal. I do like some people. And I love a few others.

<< @dam >>

Sam. My name is Sam. Please use it. You can however still call me Prince. I like that. hahah

Eric (I think that's your name).. I don't feel that saying I dislike a group of people is wrong. Now if I acted upon this dislike in a negative harmful way then it would be wrong. I honestly think that if a drag queen is hurt by me saying they are trash then they shouldn't be a drag queen. You don't walk about in a wig and pumps not looking for some sort of attention. I am a very big supporter of "I may not like what you say but I will die defending your right to say it".

[ModernArt]

Well, I think (most of us) agree here-- that grag queens have got to go. ONe cannot help but agree that they do nothing but cause normal gay men a lot of strife. However-- we disagree on the way to go about reaching our goals.

I was always one that felt that if I was out there-- just being a normal guy on the sidelines of a pride parade or volunteering at a gay charity-- that that would give normal gay people visibility. Others here think taht they ought to shun the offending members and demand different behavior. I don't know which is right. I think that in different situations-- I have felt both of those feelings.

I guess maybe the bigger question to rise is-- how come America can deal with drag queens (RuPaul is on fucking HOLLYWOOD SQUARES) but just can't seem to deal with two men getting married? ;)